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and she and her husband and it met this

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very interesting little lady

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uh who uh had come to the meeting

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because she had begun to remember and

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experience that she felt she had to deal

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with

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uh that she wanted to talk to somebody

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she had seen some

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video footage of starving children in

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Somalia or something like that and they

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looked to have very large heads because

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the body was so emaciated

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and she suddenly remembered something

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that she'd sort of try to put out of her

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mind for years seeing these little

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bodies back when she was a young woman

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in her 20s

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a

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now

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story that she told and let her tell it

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her own words on on tape but essentially

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it was this that she wrote in the

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ambulance

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Whenever there was a call an emergency

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it was a tiny little Hospital you will

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see it cement brick building

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and as I mentioned at the beginning that

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that received a call that there was an

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accident that was all nothing was

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explained and the directions how to get

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um or his son she couldn't remember it

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was the Father's son one or the other

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would drive the ambulance they went out

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and that's where they saw these state

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troopers cars parked up in the field

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pretty Barren area there's nothing there

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and when they drove up that's when they

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got out of the ambulance and saw these

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bodies

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and uh she asked as I mentioned you know

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we're their parents

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well any rate what happened very quickly

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is that they bundled up the bodies and

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took them two of them on them

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Gertie and the other one in the

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stretcher put them in the back of the

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ambulance took them back to the hospital

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and the state troopers had alerted the

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Air Force at that point

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now these are people who were and this

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is you know in in the 60s I believe the

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year was 66 now

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this was a time when of course the cold

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war was in full swing the war in Vietnam

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these people are very patriotic and

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so what happened was when the Air Force

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and came in and removed the bodies which

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she had already x-rayed

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they took the x-rays

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they took every scrap of everything you

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could imagine there that pertained to

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this incident

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and they were told

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this did not happen you were not to

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remember it

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the government has a long arm they were

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quite intimidated

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and apparently the bodies were only

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viewed by the Doctor Who's no longer

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alive at the hospital herself the

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ambulance driver who seems to have been

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if it was the father also no longer

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living

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but in terms of trying to run down other

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people

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there seems to be one loose witness

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we're still trying to locate

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in trying to uh

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run down any possibilities here

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we visited the Widow of the man who

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owned the ambulance and was probably the

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one who drove the ambulance and this

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Widow even though her husband never told

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her anything about the incident

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uh because he was warned in the same way

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she said that she well remembers that

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that afternoon the Air Force showed up

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and stripped the ambulance of everything

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on the back in inside the any sheet

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object piece of paper anything

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and she said I remember we we never got

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paid by anybody for making the run on

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top of that

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she was a very believable witness and

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her son was the son of the it could have

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been one of the aimless drivers but

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turns out wasn't

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said that what at the time he

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moonlighted as a police dispatcher and

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he remembers talk

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at the time of alien bodies

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so there is a surrounding group of

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people who can attest to at least parts

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of this so if we can have the tape now

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you will see the beanie story this is

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not something that has been finished in

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an absolute way my wife is working on

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okay

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where where the technician who wrote in

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yeah phone call like the phone call for

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this incident would have come to the

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hospital from the police if that's yeah

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and then they just told you what what do

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you remember they said it this way they

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have you you had an idea that there was

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anything unusual about it yes sir but we

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had to walk a half a mile up today would

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you have a kind of a wheel Gurney or or

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right yeah so then you and what you've

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been looking at when you were walking

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towards it what were you seeing exactly

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just Prairie as far as but I mean you

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saw two police cars yeah yeah

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and then when I got up there you could

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see this craft kind of crying up it

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looked like when it come down one half

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of it was just slight you know just into

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the mountain and the other half was

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sticking out

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and uh the first thing you saw then

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beyond that were the bodies yeah because

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they were I was uh I guess the state

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policeman told them that they were

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laying on the ground and like I said I

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thought it was three children when I

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first talked in there and I said well

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where are the parents did they go for

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help and they said no we don't know what

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we've got here and when I couldn't find

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a false for a blood pressure or anything

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on them I said let's go back to town I

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don't know what we've got either so we

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well it says emergency there

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you think that's about where they

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brought them in before yeah okay well

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pull in

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straight into the X-ray

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Ted that little sister or something come

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after us because things are number one I

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come on were two on a stretch yeah and I

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didn't usually do that yeah and uh she

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was pretty curious as to what was going

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on yeah and then Dr Young would come in

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and he was the one that examined them

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and how tall would you say they would

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have been you said children Let's uh I'd

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say that um

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they were between three and four three

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times

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and uh let's get a little description

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now what what uh I remember how bad it

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and remember I told you about the uh

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they had kind of their suits or their

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coveralls or whatever you want to call

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them was made out of something like

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Awning or something we couldn't cut it

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with manual scissors and the only way we

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got it Dutch had a knife and we got it

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nicked in and ripped it

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and they did not have ears per se and

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they did not have noses per se they had

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orifices and that's about it with their

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faces uh badly burnt uh one of them was

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really

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you could see a whole one if you put the

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three of them together you know what I'm

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trying to say yeah and with the flesh

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blackened from from the fire oh yeah

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uh now where they had the suits on we

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don't know because when we come off with

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the suits their inflation couldn't so

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cooked that part of it come off with the

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suits yeah the uh let's take the the the

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limbs the the hand the first and singers

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I only had three fingers they didn't

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have a thumb they just had like three uh

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about like that um

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pain with a shorter longer same size as

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they weren't stubby

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more or less

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and I don't imagine you got to look at

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their feet yeah they had they were their

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feet was built kind of in the same way

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but now their feet all were burned yeah

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but it looked like they had three

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appendages instead of five or six or

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whatever how long do you think it took

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the Air Force to get there after you

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brought them in the police operator or

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the dispatcher called the hospital and

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he said I've already notified the Air

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Force they'll be here in so many minutes

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and right then I thought oh hell you

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know because when they come in they

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demand your full attention they don't

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care what you've got going otherwise you

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know but because we work back at the

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hospital very long and I bet they broke

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speed limit Because by the time they

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pulled up and they brought one staff car

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from Clovis they brought two staff cars

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and an 18 wheeler out of Albuquerque I

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remember that because they just took

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over the whole back well how do you know

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they came from Albuquerque huh because

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they said they were oh they said they

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were sometimes they ought to come in and

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show their ID you know I got irritated

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with them when they started picking

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stuff up because they they even uh well

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they wanted even my x-ray they wanted to

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take the wet X-rays and I said no let me

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get them dry this was back in the days

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before automatic processors and dryers

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and stuff so I got them dry you know or

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you've been in the text

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we used to park the ambulances down

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underneath there were those big garage

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doors were they even went down there and

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they picked up everything they could

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even the sheets that I had over the body

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they didn't leave us enough

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at the ambulance company was owned by

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the Johnsons and what kind of ambulance

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was it it was a 63 Ford converted uh

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station wagon back then all we had

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a rolling emergency room like they've

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got now back then we had uh a lot of

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speed and a little bit of oxygen and

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right I mean they had a hole and

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everything how did they move the bodies

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from the uh like I said they had like a

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rock box and they brought them they

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brought the boxes in and loaded them

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right off of my x-ray table right into

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these boxes and took the boxes out to

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but it looked like something they were

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it really is important

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if it happened do you remember what we

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came here for before yeah

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and either your husband or your son was

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driving the ambulance that's um we never

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decided which one was right probably so

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no I think it was Jimmy and I think

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Walter scared he was bad with that tape

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recorder and all he didn't want to admit

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it so I remember before you said you

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remembered some conversation well I

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remember of course I kept books

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and well remember the last time we were

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here Jimmy took us down to the warehouse

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and he let us get your old Journal out

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you know your long run

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and I still say there's two pages

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missing well it's all gone and now I

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sold the warehouse oh you did it was got

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it now

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Gilbert Trump was the one that has the

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grocery store oh okay someone broke to

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remember about right off he got so upset

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because he thought the Air Force up

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overstep their bounds didn't he remember

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and I remember that you remember that

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that they ever even talking about it

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yeah they were what were they doing that

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you remember that yeah

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I think the Air Force came in and took

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over and they oh yeah they picked that

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ambulance

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everything but I just remember that he

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was upset he was upset about it remember

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I never started the chart until I got

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back here to where there was a doctor I

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just used scrap paper boy

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cleared that out in a minute but do you

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remember uh anybody saying anything

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about aliens nobody's

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I don't remember you back

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you know keeping the books the mood I'm

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talking about just you know if you

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didn't think if you had any business

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just coming in and why did he think uh

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why did you think the air force uh I

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didn't give it another thought I'd gone

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through it used to these

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great situations that you know and

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Jimmy discussing it but not it didn't

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until but but he he asked him is that it

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for records of Secrets well they did

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take the trip ticket remember yeah they

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did it took that yeah they took and

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that's when he really got upset he said

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how am I

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supposed to claimed Angel Sam I even

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in the building

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yeah because right but the uh but did he

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say to you why did he thought the Air

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Force was doing this

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and I made my mind I've been a bit might

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have been sitting here but

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in that particularly interesting you

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know Mr Johnson I of course didn't know

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your your husband there well but I'm

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curious to find man yeah I'm curious

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um but he was also a man that he kept

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every I mean he almost had to pry

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something out of him if you wanted to do

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well that's what I'm asking

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we just didn't uh but like I said if he

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had a number he was a man when he found

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out something if he'd been told it don't

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go any farther it don't go no farther

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including his wife that's the way he was

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you know if this happened last year it'd

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be different yeah yeah we're talking a

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long time ago but yeah 34 years ago

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everybody has said the same thing I had

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said everybody that's tracking stuff

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down has said the same thing I know that

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uh Air Force really gives you a false

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idea that they've got all the control of

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I mean I never will forget that guy

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standing there he had scrambled eggs on

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his hat and a chest full of ribbons and

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uh his name was Hitman Higby or

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something like that I can't remember you

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know what Ryan he was a full bird

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colonel I never will forget that

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that's the one that said uh when he

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walked out the back door another wolf

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forget he turned about halfway back

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around and he said

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today has never happened we have never

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been here you're supposed to forget

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everything that that has occurred today

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and don't forget the government has a

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long arm did he give any reason why this

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he was saying that

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no he didn't did he say I guess he

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thought no explanation necessary

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I was young enough that I didn't

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question it when they told me to keep my

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mouth shut right you know yeah so uh but

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how about you talking about it to

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anybody that's what I said Dr gallman it

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got to where I mean well after that bird

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colonel standing there yeah I don't know

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whether it was fair whether it was just

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we didn't want to think about it you

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know you kind of out of mind out of out

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of sight out of mind you know or what

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but no we never discussed it

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do you think that's odd

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yes well I I told you that before I

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thought it was because usually when

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we've had a unusual or bad smash up or

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something yeah we talk about it for two

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or three weeks yeah but we didn't and it

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was almost like a a silent

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consent that everybody just shut their

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mouth about it

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Higley or Higby or Hickman

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something like that Smith and stuff yeah

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but Sandia couldn't find questions so

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after they had after they had gone down

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and picked the ambulance clean and come

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back here because I told him you ain't

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taking that they wanted my x-rays wet

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and on the hangers I said no I'm not

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giving you hangers you come back after

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when the x-rays are dry oh they went out

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to the site and we went out to the site

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later and I mean they had picked that

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point you've been doing the Jimmy went

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out or doing somebody well you know we

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tend to forget that the government Air

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Force in particular because of the

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nature of the Beast has

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rapid recovery teams ready to go to

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locations whether airplane crashes

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because they're going to be classified

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equipment well I'm going to go where

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there are truck crashes with

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sophisticated equipment nuclear stuff or

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all kinds of things and there are people

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whose job it is just as described an slm

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1.01 it's to pick up clean up everything

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get rid of all right let's look a little

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differently at this

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so we've got heard

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but we also have the sheriff's family I

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who else

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gutters okay

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and you see and with a nice name yeah

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wasn't he connected with the police

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department at some point the manual

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Marie was sheriff and then what are you

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looking for and then Manuel's younger

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brother I believe name is training you

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operate

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last night

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you l

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o c

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I think that's that's it

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now this is I say is a work in progress

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uh that my wife's been working on and we

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were trying to find some more

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information

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um I just want to say one thing about

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her credibility

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she remembered the name of the police

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officer a state police officer who she

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knew well she called him Dutch on the

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tape who was there recovering the bodies

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and when she

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went to this Buffon meeting and met the

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folks who passed the story on to me the

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husband

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at that meeting of the woman who I'd

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worked with was a retired state police

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officer and she immediately asked him

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did you know Dutch whatever his name was

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and he said yes I knew him somewhat and

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she said I've got to find him because he

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was there

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and they started a res a search for this

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Dutch now when you make up a story you

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don't say so and so was there and I want

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to try to find him because if you find

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him and the guy said what are you

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talking about I was I don't remember

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anything like that you're in a spot but

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she was definite and she became a kind

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of Tigress trying to find

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that locate this man Dutch and what

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happened actually was uh when they did

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locate him he's long since retired he

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was in the hospital with a heart attack

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and she wanted to go to the hospital and

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interview him in a hospital room

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which we wish had happened and before

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that could happen he passed away

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and she ended up going to the funeral

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and even though she hadn't seen him for

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years and years trying to talk to his

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widow to see what she could find out so

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this is a woman who who gave us the name

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of the man who was there and really

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really tried to run him down and said he

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was the state police officer in charge

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so it's another sign of her credibility

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now you can make up your own mind about

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what you think about beanie she's an odd

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lady but and she did not want the Air

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Force to take her wet x-rays out of

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there or the hangers which is this one

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of those little details which is not

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self-glorifying but granted her